Iran’s Ayatollah Shirazi has condemned China for suppressing its Uighur population in Xinjiang Province. Ahmadinejad, as far as anyone can tell, has not said anything publicly. Ahmadinejad knows that his greatest allies are Venezuela and North Korea. He doesn’t wish to offend Marxist leaders. He needs North Korea to supply him with nuclear weapons and–what is more important–missiles to deliver them. North Korea may well be able to smuggle these weapons into Iran, just as it was able to build a nuclear facility in Syria.
Muslim theocracies have always suppressed Communism. Communist states have always persecuted their Muslim minorities. The fact that they do so shows that they share a belief in a society that does not allow freedom of speech or freedom of belief. They may persecute each other, but they do so as part of a united front against societies that allow liberty.
And of course, Iran, Venezuela, and North Korea hate and fear Israel. They are entirely unaware that they do not share a boundary with Israel. They have no idea that they have no tangible disagreements with Israel. They don’t even care about the Palestinians, except for the fact that supporting Palestinians is a way of opposing Israel. Iran, in particluar, opposes Sunnis and does not like Arabs. The Marxist-Islamic Alliance makes no sense. However, senseless movements are typically more dangerous than logical ones.
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George, I read every line that you wrote and you are correct in every line,but,as, the US is ineffectually dealing with an existential economic threat,in that context,what relevance does any of this have to us right at the moment?
July 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I find it hard to believe that North Korea hates Israel,George. The NK regime isn’t intimately involved with the hordes of the Blue-and-White Peril and probably doesn’t give a rap.
July 16th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
RCAR,
International tension contributes to economic problems.
fuster,
North Korea sent not only planes but pilots to fight Israel in 1967 and 1973. It recently built a nuclear facility in Syria, which Israel destroyed. It makes no sense for North Korea to fight Israel, of course, but the fact that it is illogical doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen.
July 16th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
George, the MIGs and the trainers/pilots were probably done for the USSR more than out of animus.
I would think that the Syria installation and any other weapon and/or technology sales are motivated by a great need for cash.
I can understand you assigning the NKs to the hostile column, but doubt if it’s smart to count them as Israeli haters.
July 17th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
fuster,
You are assuming that the leaders of North Korea are rational. Letting millions of one’s citizens starve is not rational. Turning the country into a uniquely isolated state is not rational. Letting one’s air force fight battles for the USSR is not rational, and was not anything the other satellite states ever did.
July 17th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
George, I can’t see how you can make a case for hatred amongst the North Koreans without any evidence of emotional interaction or showing that Israeli hatred is indoctrinated into the people.
Simply saying that it’s a product of irrationality is not much. Most people enjoy being irrational in their own way, absent a push in the same direction.
July 18th, 2009 at 12:09 am
fuster,
Nobody knows a thing about what the citizens of North Korea think. As for the leaders, their actions, over the years, indicate what their feelings are.
July 18th, 2009 at 10:05 am
George, the actions of the NK leaders, over the years, indicate little except a desire to retain power.
Any idea of their feelings that you have are likely a reflection of your own feelings.
July 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
fuster,
Creating a murderous famine–something Communist leaders almost always do–is not a way to retain power. Keeping your country poor and miserable is not a way to retain power. Fighting against a distant country with which you have no dispute is not a way to retain power. What all these policies reflect is Marxist dogma, which includes a belief in the beauty of poverty and–ever since the Bandung Conference in 1955–a belief that Israel is the most evil force on the planet.
July 18th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
The Bandung Conference was called to affirm that Israel is evil or was that just one of it’s published conclusions?
July 18th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
#8: fuster, if we were inclined to psychoanalyze one another, some of us would have lots to say about you. I think it may be best to stick to the substance of the discussion.
July 18th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Shit, Peter, I didn’t think I was pointing out anything other than an unsupported assumption.
George is the person imputing hatred and feelings.
July 18th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
George…It’s tag team time with fuster. I once had a discussion with her on that other board that went on for over 100 posts. She will wear you out. Once I even spied her at post #204. Don’t ask why I was still there. So, fuster…let’s rumble. George, do yourself a favor and go listen to some nice music and relax.
I’M NOW IT!
These are NOT unsupported assumptions, fuster. Who knows why, but the NORKS have been fighting Israel for years.
Steven from Indiana
July 25th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Steven, before we rumble, be advised that I’ll be wearing one cup, not two.
While we’re rumbling, be aware that I agree that NK has been steadily aligned against Israel.
What I’m disagreeing with is the idea that some strong emotion directed particularly toward the Israelis, George says hatred, is supplying the motivation.
July 25th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
fuster, maybe the Norks hate Israel because Israel keeps bombing their customers. Maybe Kim Il got badly circumsised and blames Jews for starting the whole thing…who knows. It acts like a duck, fuster. I have numerous instances in my life of dealing with Americans who have never seen a Jew…who hate Jews. Why does this surprise you? We are such a people that we can inspire what might be called, “remote hatred.”
As for the one very small cup….
Steven from Indiana
July 25th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
No one’s asking you to drink from it, Steven, so let my poor sorry self remain free from the discussion.
The NKs don’t really have a need to hate Jews, Steven. They’ve got a long history of bitterness with their near neighbors even before getting to their recent, post-Commie list of villians.
Most of their conflict with the Israelis might be simply based on their need to hustle a buck from weaponry export.
July 25th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
fuster, books have been writen about why they hate us. Tomes. We no longer care about the why. If you went to Mars, and found a Jewish cemetery, it would be desecrated.
That reminds me of a very funny Joke. I won’t tell it to you…. yet. But, Peter and George….#16. hahahaha
Steven from Indiana
July 25th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
written
July 25th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
If there’s a book about why the NKs hate the israelis, I would like to hear about it.
July 25th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
I don’t much see much about Koreans in them tomes I’ve seen.
Can ya give a tome to me that names them bad boys from Pyongyang as pais-pulling bullies?
July 25th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
http://www.freekorea.us/2007/02/08/wiesenthal-center-condemns-anti-semitic-monnara-iunnara-comic-book/
Go for it, fus…
Steven from Indiana
July 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Well, it’s a little something , Steven, and good of you to find it for me.
It’s seems kind of recent and inspired by Lee’s having swallowing the ” Neo-cons are bad Jews running the US” line. Not going back far or showing anything wide-spread.
If you can get more, I’m open to learning and changing my opinion.
July 25th, 2009 at 7:25 pm